Patrick Holford’s Recommendation for Swine Flu – Same As Those for Bird Flu But With Phrase Substitution – Updated

Patrick Holford on ITV Lunchtime 16 April 2008

Patrick Holford has broken his (unaccountable) silence about pandemic fears around Mexico City flu (aka, swine flu). Take vitamin C. Jab more vitamin C into your veins. Take more supplements. Black elderberry makes it harder for viruses to enter your cells. Roll up. Learn about the Rath formulation that cures everything from cancer to HIV and flu. Roll up.

Patrick Holford is Head of Science and Education at Biocare and a busy man. However, he has a little time on his hands since becoming a former Visiting Professor at the University of Teesside so he started a blog on which only paying-subscribers were allowed to comment. Oddly, however, rather than broadening his research and improving his scholarship, or even providing some thoughtful analysis on critical issues, Holford is just opting to re-issue his same old, same old pronouncements with some phrase substitution. He has done this with bird flu and the panic du jour, swine flu (or, more accurately, Mexico City Flu).

Over the weekend, I found myself wondering why Holford had not as yet blogged about the wonderful powers of vitamin C and its charms against Mexico City flu. Holford has just obliged: Can Vitamin C Kill Swine Flu. Now, with the Case Fatality Ratio and virulence of Mexico City Flu still unknown, many readers might think that it would be premature to pose that question, far less, answer it positively, without a heavy dose of irony stimulants or sardonoscorbic supplements but Holford is unabashed. He is quite happy to dust off his previous pronouncements on bird flu and re-purpose it for ‘swine flu’ in a sort of multi-purpose, ‘immune-boosting, take-all-comers’ flying pig flu preparedness supplementation programme.

The ideal amount of vitamin C for any flu is up to ‘bowel tolerance’. Start with 3 grams immediately, then 1 gram an hour and if you get diarrhoea, then halve this dose. If you don’t, double it. There are some forms of vitamin C, notably sodium ascorbate with riboperine, and lipospheric vitamin C that allow even more to be absorbed without reaching bowel tolerance. They are marginally better than straight ascorbic acid. Some people find ascorbic acid too acidic, in which case an ascorbate, such as sodium ascorbate, can be taken. It might be useful to have a supply at hand if a flu epidemic does break out. There is no harm in having 100 grams a day short-term, stopping once all symptoms are gone. If even this didn’t stop the flu I’d find a doctor who could administer intravenous sodium ascorbate. The trick with any infection is not to get it in the first place by keeping your immune system strong. I take 2 grams of vitamin C every day. If swine flu breaks out I’m doubling that to 4 grams – one every 6 or so hours, as well as supplementing zinc and selenium on a daily basis. Black elderberry contains something that makes it harder for viruses to penetrate cells. So this is an added bonus.

Holford is choosing not to address the issue that it is so far unclear whether the impact of this flu is greater on young people (20-45) who are tyically those with a more robust immune system.

We would also point out that the current strains implicated in Mexico City flu are reported to be H1N1, not, as yet, the H5N1 of avian flu (however, as Dr Tara Smith of Aetiology highlights, the picture is very unclear and depends upon some coordinated lab work). Holford appears untroubled by such uncertainty and writes:

Antiviral drugs, such as Tamiflu, work by inhibiting something called neuraminidase, produced by viruses and essential for their ability to replicate. So too does vitamin C according to recent research. This study tested the effects of a combination of ascorbic acid, green tea extract, lysine, proline, N-acetyl cysteine, selenium among other micronutrients on cells infected with influenza. This combination was also tested in a study on cells infected with Asian flu, in many respects similar to swine flu. According to the authors the nutrient mixture “demonstrated high antiviral activity evident even at prolonged periods after infection. Antiviral properties were comparable to those of conventional drugs (amantadine and oseltamivir); however, the nutrient mixture had the advantage of affecting viral replication at the late stages of the infection process.“

You will note that the ‘vitamin C research’ is by familiar Holford reference, Dr Jariwalla of the Holfordised vitamin C and HIV fame, and member of the Rath Institute. As far as we can tell, although this new study is in cell lines infected with flu viruses, it may be very optimistic for Holford to be touting the benefits of an unavailable formulation for prophylaxis against Mexico City flu in humans and in the real world. Unless Holford is just trying to borrow one part of that paper (about the vitamin C) to make an unevidenced leap to support his recommendations? Similarly for the ‘study’ that also uses this Rath formulation, we must emphasise that i) the formulation is not available; ii) there is no clinical evidence to support its use in humans as yet despite the abundant claims made for its omnipotence in conditions ranging from flu to cancer and HIV.[a] It possibly also clears the drains and cures dandruff but those are obviously peripheral to the main point which is that of ensuring a revenue stream from the current distress that some people are experiencing in the face of all this uncertainty about Mexico City flu and a possible pandemic.

So, remember, Holford’s unevidenced advice is:

  • take up to 100g of vitamin C a day although there is no indication that this can raise your plasma levels beyond a certain saturation point using oral supplementation
  • find a doctor who will administer intravenous vitamin C – Jerome Burne in a Daily Mail item mentioned that this costs £100 per session – although there is no evidence that this would be useful or that you would be in any condition to travel to a doctor’s office (in the event of a pandemic, there might even be temporary travel advisories or bans)
  • avoid infection by supplementation of vitamin C, zinc and selenium
  • as some (surely unintended) light relief, we learn that “[b]lack elderberry contains something that makes it harder for viruses to penetrate cells”: no reference, of course (see update 30 April).[b]

So, there you have it. The implausible, impractical and unevidenced Holford plan for preparing for a pandemic of Mexico City flu.

If readers are interested in some evidence-based advice, then keep an eye on the Dept. of Health announcements and the posts from the public health scientists and epidemiologists at Effect Measure. The Health Protection Agency has some advice and the NHS Direct website and phone line (0845 4647) are available.

Basic measures involve practising sensible cold and flu hygiene. Cough or sneeze into your sleeve, not your hands if caught short. If you blow your nose, cough or sneeze into a handkerchief, throw it away (preferably in a bag) and wash your hands thoroughly or use an alcohol hand gel if washing is impractical. If you are symptomatic, then don’t go into public places or mingle with others. Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth: you reintroduce the virus into your system or transmit it from fomites from contaminated door handles and other surfaces.

A fomite is any inanimate object or substance capable of absorbing, retaining, and transporting contagious or infectious organisms (from germs to parasites) from one individual to another.

There are many practical measures that can be taken. Make contingency plans with family, friends and neighbours: these can be as basic as having designated contact members to pick up prescriptions for you if you need an anti-viral prescription but should not travel to a doctor’s surgery or pharmacy to pick it up. If the likelihood of a pandemic increases and this may have an impact on public services, you may want to consider filling a prescription for other conditions, so that you have adequate medication. E.g., if you are a home oxygen user then you might want to enquire about continuity of supply if your local organisers have not been in touch with you as yet.

The New York Times has a good Q and A on the topic of Mexico City flu and preparedness as well as practical measures.

Updates

Good coverage: H5N1 – News and resources about avian and swine flu
Public health scientists and epidemiologists at Effect Measure
Flu Wiki
Practical advice from DemFromCT in Daily Kos: What Does The Swine Flu Outbreak Mean?

April 30: We are nothing but fair-minded at HolfordWatch so must note that Patrick Holford has updated his post to include a reference to the elderberries and their unevidenced properties for Mexico City Flu.

Black elderberry contains something that makes it harder for viruses to penetrate cells. In a double-blind controlled trial it cut recovery time in those with influenza by four days. So this is an added bonus.

Congratulations for providing a reference but – really? A small trial with people where we know too little about the placebo and whether or not it was obvious that the control group knew that they weren’t having the intervention. We know nothing about the participants’ prior beliefs about elderberry syrup. The authors’ conclusion is:

Elderberry extract seems to offer an efficient, safe and cost-effective treatment for influenza. These findings need to be confirmed in a larger study.

And Holford is pushing this as an intervention for Mexico City flu? Update to this: thanks to the commenter who found the full paper – the participants all had confirmed flu. However, we still have some concerns about the selection of participants, randomisation etc. although we will say, again, that this is an interesting study albeit this is not about Mexico City flu and it relates to a specific product, Sambucol, with a specific formulation.

May 4. Holford’s blog post had yet more unacknowledged updates: it is gaining references like so many accretions but it is still not helping on the issues of taking 100g of vitamin C.

Viruses get into body cells by puncturing their walls with tiny spikes made of a substance called hemagglutinin. According to research by virologist Madeleine Mumcuoglu, working with Dr Jean Linderman, who discovered interferon, an extract of elderberry disarms these spikes by binding to them and preventing them from penetrating the cell membrane. ‘This was the first discovery,’ said Mumcuoglu. ‘Later I found evidence that elderberry also fights flu virus in other ways.’ In a double blind controlled trial she tested the effects of the elderberry extract, called Sambucol, in people diagnosed with any one of a number of strains of flu virus. Their results, published in 1995, showed a significant improvement in symptoms – fever, cough, muscle pain – in 20 per cent of patients within twenty-four hours, and in a further 73 per cent of patients within forty-eight hours. After three days 90 per cent had complete relief of their symptoms compared to another group on a placebo, who look at least six days to recover. In another double-blind controlled trial it cut recovery time in those with influenza by four days. So this is an added bonus.

Back to some evidence-based writing on Mexico City flu, Effect Measure has an update on the type of flu: Swine flu: humans, a dangerous species. We must give another shout-out to Crof’s H5N1 coverage and to DemFromCT for H1N1: Why Do Schools Close, And When Do They Open?

Notes

[a] Roomi MW, Ivanov V, Kalinovsky T, Niedzwiecki A, Rath M (2004). “Anti-tumor effect of ascorbic acid, lysine, proline, arginine, and epigallocatechin gallate on prostate cancer cell lines PC-3, LNCaP, and DU145”. Res. Commun. Mol. Pathol. Pharmacol. 115-116: 251–64. PMID 17564322.
Roomi MW, Ivanov V, Kalinovsky T, Niedzwiecki A, Rath M (April 2006). “Antitumor effect of ascorbic acid, lysine, proline, arginine, and green tea extract on bladder cancer cell line T-24”. Int. J. Urol. 13 (4): 415–9. doi:10.1111/j.1442-2042.2006.01309.x. PMID 16734861.
Roomi MW, Ivanov V, Kalinovsky T, Niedzwiecki A, Rath M (April 2006). “Inhibition of matrix metalloproteinase-2 secretion and invasion by human ovarian cancer cell line SK-OV-3 with lysine, proline, arginine, ascorbic acid and green tea extract”. J. Obstet. Gynaecol. Res. 32 (2): 148–54. doi:10.1111/j.1447-0756.2006.00389.x. PMID 16594917.
Roomi MW, Roomi N, Ivanov V, Kalinovsky T, Niedzwiecki A, Rath M (October 2005). “Inhibitory effect of a mixture containing ascorbic acid, lysine, proline and green tea extract on critical parameters in angiogenesis”. Oncol. Rep. 14 (4): 807–15. PMID 16142336.
Roomi MW, Ivanov V, Kalinovsky T, Niedzwiecki A, Rath M (2005). “In vitro and in vivo antitumorigenic activity of a mixture of lysine, proline, ascorbic acid, and green tea extract on human breast cancer lines MDA-MB-231 and MCF-7”. Med. Oncol. 22 (2): 129–38. doi:10.1385/MO:22:2:129. PMID 15965275.
Roomi MW, Ivanov V, Kalinovsky T, Niedzwiecki A, Rath M (2005). “Antitumor effect of a combination of lysine, proline, arginine, ascorbic acid, and green tea extract on pancreatic cancer cell line MIA PaCa-2”. Int J Gastrointest Cancer 35 (2): 97–102. doi:10.1385/IJGC:35:2:097. PMID 15879623.
[b] For those who are curious, Flu Wiki has some information about black elderberry.

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27 responses to “Patrick Holford’s Recommendation for Swine Flu – Same As Those for Bird Flu But With Phrase Substitution – Updated

  1. dmcw

    I think that Effect Measure is an excellent blog, and is well-written too.

    Perhaps you could add it to your permanent links?

    Dan

  2. Wulfstan

    These people really can’t help themselves can they? They brush aside ordinary feelings of decorum and blunder on with their own special interests to their own financial advantage.

    Damian Thompon has a wearily disgusted piece on some homeopaths who are attempting to cash in: Disgusting homeopaths seek to exploit swine flu.

    Well, that didn’t take long. Homeopaths are already advertising their UTTERLY USELESS remedies for swine flu. Remember: this branch of pseudoscience, endorsed by the Prince of Wales and subsidised by the NHS, can do nothing to treat ordinary flu, let alone this new lethal variety.

    • Oh good grief. Jayney Goddard’s book looks awfully similar to Sandra Perko’s The Homeopathic Treatment of Influenza – Special Bird Flu Edition: Surviving Influenza Epidemics And Pandemics Past, Present, And Future With Homeopathy .

      It is, of course, notable that the Slade review in Positive Health (pdf) that praises Goddard’s book also notes that there is no evidence for some of Goddard’s most interesting claims.

      The book draws on a lot of factual information and is on the whole well referenced. However, if I were to aim a criticism, it would be to challenge the level of referencing in the chapters dealing with Homeopathy. As a Homeopath and Academic, I am very keen that published works are well referenced and their facts sourced. I am very aware of the literature surrounding this area, and I was disappointed to see Goddard quoting past famous Homeopaths (especially when discussing remedy use in historical ‘flu pandemics), but not giving sources. A short paragraph appears at the end of the references for Chapter 21 which reads “Much historical data has been collated by the late Homeopath and Historian Julian Winston” and then quotes his website. I assume the sources for this information are found somewhere in the website; but I shouldn’t have to assume.

  3. Wulfstan

    For argument’s sake, if the average small family decided to follow Patrick Holford’s advice and to lay in 500-800g of vitamin C (or should we just round it up and call it a kilo) – just how much would this cost and how long would it remain viable for – what is the shelf-life?

    Anyone got any idea?

    • Pigeon suppliers sell vitamin C for £15 per kg so it must be quite cheap (heh, couldn’t resist but I’m not advocating that it is fit for human consumption, I genuinely have no idea).

      I’ve been forwarded an email about Camu Camu powder that I’ve never heard of before – that is £106 per kg. Holford’s present large size price for Immune C is £29.31 for 240 capsules. 2 capsules gives:

      Vitamin C: 1800mg
      Black Elderberry Extract: 100mg
      Ginger: 40mg
      Bilberry Extract: 20mg
      Zinc: 6mg

      So, looking at the vitamin C alone, you would need around 102 capsules a day, so 1 tub would last just more than 2 days for 1 person. However, you can buy a 250g tub of mixed ascorbates (Biocare rather than Holford) for £20.01, so that would be £80.04 per kg.

      Linus Pauling must be spinning in his grave. According to Pauling in Vitamin C and the Common Cold (all following Pauling quotations are from the 1970 edition):

      There is only one vitamin C. It is the substance L-ascorbic acid, which is also called ascorbic acid…So-called synthetic ascorbic acid is natural ascorbic acid, identical with the vitamin C in oranges and other foods. [Vitamin C products that are derived from rose hip extracts or similar have] no advantage whatever…In fact, there is a disadvantage that you would waste your money if you bought them, rather than the ordinary ascorbic acid. [Pauling, L. (1970) Vitamin C and the Common Cold, San Francisco: W. H. Freeman and Company. pg. 89]

      On pg. 90, Pauling advises the reader that at the then current prices, vitamin C should cost around $5-7.50/kg. He warned readers not to buy ascorbic acid if it cost more than $20 per kilogram.

      The dealer also misleads his customers by suggesting that ordinary ascorbic acid is different from ‘all-natural vitamin C, from organically grown rosehips imported from Northern Europe.’ The words ‘organically grown’ are essentially meaningless — just part of the jargon used by health-food promoters in making their excess profits, often from elderly people with low incomes. [pg. 91]

      Pauling continues in this vein and on pg. 95 he suggests that appropriate supplementation with cheap (generic) multivitamin supplements should only cost a few dollars a year.

  4. I’m just impressed that Holford has managed to understand this strain of swine flu – to his usual standard – so quickly, and already feels confident to make treatment recommendations.

  5. UKdietitian

    “lipospheric vitamin C that allow even more to be absorbed without reaching bowel tolerance”

    surely he means ‘bowel INtolerance’?
    ie diarrhoea?

    • Well, that would be such a distasteful side-effect for him to admit to, Professor UK Dietitian, particularly after his recent strictures about the side-effects of Alli.

      I did try to find some information about the cost of lipospheric vitamin C but I couldn’t find something that I was happy to link: however, here is a product that is Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C which is $357 (currently £243.57) for a case of 12 cartons of 30 sachets (each sachet contains 1g of Vitamin C). This does not, of course, include any import taxes or handling charges. In addition, I couldn’t find any strong or convincing evidence for the claimed increase in plasma levels of vitamin C.

      • Wulfstan

        So one person would need to take 3.33 cartons in a day to get the recommended 100g of vitamin C, and that would cost around £70 (allowing for post and taxes).

        On a purely logistical point – how much of this 100g would someone have to take at one time? How much water would be involved? I know you’re not details-oriented people ;o but things like this bother me.

        I’m not thinking about this as a serious treatment intervention but I remember when I had some dental surgery, I was advised to take vitamin C before and after. I usually dropped a 1g tablet into half a pint of water. I assume that you would do the same with ascorbic acid powder or whatever. Wouldn’t all this add up to an implausibly (and possibly dangerous) amount of water in a day?

  6. Sanity

    a hundred grams? As in 100000 milligrams? As opposed to the 90 mg recommended dosage for adult?

    I think the reason average people don’t declare him insane, is because they all thinkg “Well, 2 grammes is not that big a dose”. So, for all those people, here’s some fun with math:

    Such dose of vitamic C could supply three people for a year with the recomended daily dosage and would just spill over two soda bottles in pure form. EVERY DAY.

    If you were to take that much in ordinary pills, each with a sip of water, you would have to drink 6.5 gallons of water, a whole jerrycan, which is over three times the lethal dose. EVERY DAY.

    • Yes indeed – in the event of developing flu, the Holford recommendation is for 100,000mg or 100g per day. Thank you for doing the water calculation. I must admit, if I were in the throes of flu, I’m not sure that I would have the energy or inclination to down 6.5 gallons of water if I were to lose my senses enough to consider it a good idea. I would, of course, be very distressed if my family decided to step up and submit me to some form of water cure by forcing that much down me but I imagine that the point would be pretty much moot once they got me to take 2 gallons or so as I shouldn’t think electrolytes would respond too well. That’s one way of inflating the Case Fatality Ratio for this flu – albeit it would be the intervention not the actual illness.

  7. We’ve added this into the main post for we are nothing but fair-minded at HolfordWatch so must highlight that Patrick Holford has updated his post to include a reference to the elderberries and their unevidenced properties for Mexico City Flu.

    Black elderberry contains something that makes it harder for viruses to penetrate cells. In a double-blind controlled trial it cut recovery time in those with influenza by four days. So this is an added bonus.

    Congratulations for providing a reference but – really? A small trial with people who had “influenza-like symptoms”, none of whom were confirmed to have actually had flu by any clinical test so we have no idea of the flu strain that was prevalent in Norway at that time? We know nothing about the placebo and whether or not it was obvious that the control group knew that they weren’t having the intervention. We know nothing about the participants’ prior beliefs about elderberry syrup. The authors’ conclusion is:

    Elderberry extract seems to offer an efficient, safe and cost-effective treatment for influenza. These findings need to be confirmed in a larger study.

    And Holford is pushing this as an intervention for Mexico City flu?

    • Wulfstan

      It was worth Patrick Holford’s time to bolster up the still nonsensical case for elderberry extract as an aid for a flu strain that is not yet fully specified but not worth the time to explain how you are supposed to take 100g of vitamin C in a day without over-loading on water?

      • I suppose that it reflects that even Patrick Holford has no expectation that people will be following his advice based on the ‘scientific case for support’ that he makes or he would care about practical details such as the issue of how much water it would take to consumer 100g of vitamin C in a day.

        • Byron

          The paper would be all well and good, were it not funded by the company that makes the Elderberry extract itself. This counts as a clear conflict of interest, obviously!

          However, the flu sufferers were all genuine, but for some reason conventional flu remedies were also allowed…

          The FREE full text of the paper is available here:

          http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/field/jimr/2004/00000032/00000002/art00005?token=00531a570c1ffa35995c5f3b3b47675448783c25702e76757b6c4f582a2f4876753375686f4961bacf8

          Admin edit: sorry for the delay in this appearing, we had to retrieve it from the luncheon meat folder – no idea why it ended up there.

        • Thanks for the link to the full paper – it didn’t show up when I was looking for it. Good to know it was confirmed influenza and the authors really should have mentioned that in the abstract. I would also have been happier if they had asked the participants if they could guess which preparation they were taking (I find elderberries quite distinctive – I wonder about the participants).

          Nothing in the paper about “something that makes it harder for viruses to penetrate cells” – how odd. Although, to be fair, they do refer in a couple of sentences to other references that discuss that.

  8. Well, thank goodness someone has a cure for swine flu! We can all relax now, since Vitamin C is widely available. Phew, and I was really getting worried until I saw this.

    But seriously: the scientific community has been analyzing the genomes of the new outbreak strain nonstop, and we have a pretty good picture now. It’s a reassortment (a mixture) of 2 pre-existing swine flu strains, and it has picked up the ability to infect and spread among humans. So far it appears no more virulent than the normal seasonal flu, but because it is an entirely novel strain, it will infect many more people if it does take hold and become a pandemic.

    The advice you give above (not counting Holford’s advice!) is pretty much all we can do until a vaccine is available. When the vaccine does appear – which will take 6 months or more – then I will be first in line to get my shot.

    Maybe we’ll get lucky and Holford won’t get the shot since he doesn’t like vaccines – and perhaps the flu will put him out of commission for a while.

    • Science and medicine really can work remarkably well, no matter the strictures of some self-appointed, media-lionised Health Guru.

      Presumably, no, Holford and his family won’t be talking the shot. They will either be water-logging themselves to take 100g of vitamin C a day or have a compliant IV-vitamin C administering concierge doctor on retainer, should they (perish the thought) contract the flu. But you see, of course, optimally healthy people don’t get ill.

      Most of the chronic diseases, but also most of our general malaise, from digestive problems to weight problems to energy problems to concentration problems, are all down to what you put in your mouth…
      When you are optimally nourished you simply don’t need any medicine.

  9. Steve Lambert

    This site is more a parasite feeding off the work of one person.Anonymously presented with the usual array of ad hominem argument and little science. Methinks you doth protest too much – is envy the driver here ? Come on now, out of the closet; reveal yourselves , don’t be shy; or at least grow up a little.

    • Steve- if you look at the post above your comment, you’ll see a well-referenced assessment of Holford’s treatment recommendations (something fairly typical of this site: you might like to take a look over some of our archive). It would be nice if you wanted to engage with the content of what we have written.

      Instead, your comment does not mention the above post – instead focusing on who we are, and on what you think motivates us. Simultaneously, you attribute ad hominem arguments to us.

      Is this a ‘serious’ comment inviting response? Or some kind of pomo satire of alternative nutritionists’ discourses?

  10. John Botha

    Holford’s remedy’s based on nature answer to provide us with illness remedies.
    Not stinking rich pharma company that modify natures plants and then try to sell it to us for massive prices. (ala genetic modified food), thou they have their place but not at the cost of nature’s answers.
    How did people survide in the centuries before us, not by the pharma companies, but from plants & trees etc. All you guys against Holford should probebly have shares in pharma companies! Don’t deny nature response,she gives virusse and she can destroy them

    • Just to be clear – you think that ancient human societies had access to high strength vitamin C supplements? Or that high strength vitamin C supplements are unmodified plants? Not that this has much bearing on whether they work or not – but a bit of consistency would be welcome.

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  12. marsav

    I recently came into close contact with someone who had swine flu and sure enough a few days later I started to feel very unwell, feverish, sore throat and losing my voice. Now I normally take aspirin for colds and flus as it is usually very effective in alleviating symptoms but it was pretty ineffective this time which didn’t surprise me if it was swine flu as the first person who died from swine flu had taken aspirin. So I tried my plan B which is high doses of Vitamin C which I have not usually found as effective as aspirin but generally boost my strength levels. So I took 3g of Vitamin C (I took a 500mg Calcium/250mg Magnesium tablet at the same time so I could counterbalance the acidic effects of such a dose in one go but you can get away with taking 3g a day without this if you stagger the dose over 2-3 times (i.e 1.0-1.5g a time). I also took cod liver oil containing 100% RDA Vitamin A and D to absorb the Calcium.

    To my great surprise it had an INSTANT effect and knocked my illness stone cold out, I have never known Vitamin C to be so effective so it was a very pleasant result. I am now well after only a few days of fighting this illness and I also recommended this dose to a colleague who also is now making a great recovery. Now I don’t know for sure what I had was Swine Flu but I just thought I would put my experiences out there just in case it was so it can help someone else.

    • Glad you’re feeling better now, but you can’t judge the efficacy of a treatment like this based on a single case. Anecdotally, I’ve had what I thought was flu and recovered v quickly; had I taken some kind of pill, I might well have credited this with getting better quickly.

      Sadly, there’s not good evidence that high doses of vitamin C are good for swine flu.

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